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Gagaite:
I enjoyed Dorothy's poem.
but this part...
when we live life
asking
we will be answered
in heaven
...there it is again!
the immortality thing that i keep bringing up.. it's everwhere...this higher purpose thing puts people at ease and offers solice, giving believers some meaning to their lives. i wish that i were among them!
Gaga sez:
Nice job on spotting that little problem in Dorothy's poem. We come to a brick wall trying to figure out the "answer" after we are dead. It's ingrained in us to hope for such an answer long after it is possible to get one...no doubt a cultural artifact.
The more counter-intuitive, and harder to see because of the subtlety to see it, is that we are answering the question of life by living...every single moment.
What is life's purpose? To live!!
The idea to want a prize at the end of it is a totally wacky notion. It probably came up because of class separation in a culture...you know... you get enough people together and then you start to notice differences ("hey..that guy's got more money than me", " she's uglier than me", and so on). We compare and contrast ourselves and then no end of trouble starts. To compensate for the differences that we think are our inadequacies, we say, "well, the next time around (in heaven) I'll get it my way."
The psychology seems to be hard-wired into our mind (a meme). Perhaps millions of years of evolutionary processes formed this concept of "heaven". It is not real or true. It is just an idea.
I will say this however: faith is important to a fulfilling life-- a faith in... something.
It doesn't really matter what it is, because if you stick with faith in something, life becomes very fulfilling. Problems occur when suddenly you doubt your belief in faith...and so thoughts in the direction away from faith need to be reined in. Maybe choose more wisely in what you believe in.
I suppose if we expect someone to hand us a faith on a plate it might be easier...but it doesn't work that way. It is up to the individual to cultivate faith. The analogy of growing a plant or having a pet is useful: if you give a plant or a pet love and nourishment, it will grow up beautifully. If you neglect it, it won't.
What's a good thing to have faith in?
Hmm. Love. Loving kindness seems to work. The kind that is like the sunshine, which is distributed evenly to everyone and everything.
I had a real dilemma with this issue of faith and love up at the retreat in Thunder Bay in August...how to activate love. I found a method that was useful. It was the same technique as when I was a kid.
Before bed my parents made us say prayers to bless everyone in the family. So I tried that again, but expanded it out to people and things that percolated up in consciousness...not just folks I knew and loved, but people I had neutral feelings for, right on to those I truly despised. After a few days of this, I noticed a softening. The connection between the heart, love, and faith had an effect on my condition. I noticed how the body and mind felt when I applied loving kindness. This was the focus: loving kindness as a mind/body conditioner to restore faith.
Here is a link to cultivate a loving kindness meditation, which might be useful to try.
It might seem silly or embarrassing at first, but the effects of practicing loving kindness prayer/meditation/reflection do have a great soothing and calming effect, and helps to restore faith.
Think of this: when you get angry and scream and yell at someone, BOY, can others ever feel the strength of your emotion! And it also conditions your own mind to be agitated, harsh, coarse, impatient, unrefined, violent...and so on and so forth. So, if you radiate the opposite of anger and rage, that is... loving kindness ... through gentle, soft, quiet practice, that has got to have the opposite effect. It makes perfect sense.
Check it out. I think loving kindness is something to use to develop faith and let go of the "worldy ways" of hoping for redemption in some other time in the future.
Better than nothing!
I enjoyed Dorothy's poem.
but this part...
when we live life
asking
we will be answered
in heaven
...there it is again!
the immortality thing that i keep bringing up.. it's everwhere...this higher purpose thing puts people at ease and offers solice, giving believers some meaning to their lives. i wish that i were among them!
Gaga sez:
Nice job on spotting that little problem in Dorothy's poem. We come to a brick wall trying to figure out the "answer" after we are dead. It's ingrained in us to hope for such an answer long after it is possible to get one...no doubt a cultural artifact.
The more counter-intuitive, and harder to see because of the subtlety to see it, is that we are answering the question of life by living...every single moment.
What is life's purpose? To live!!
The idea to want a prize at the end of it is a totally wacky notion. It probably came up because of class separation in a culture...you know... you get enough people together and then you start to notice differences ("hey..that guy's got more money than me", " she's uglier than me", and so on). We compare and contrast ourselves and then no end of trouble starts. To compensate for the differences that we think are our inadequacies, we say, "well, the next time around (in heaven) I'll get it my way."
The psychology seems to be hard-wired into our mind (a meme). Perhaps millions of years of evolutionary processes formed this concept of "heaven". It is not real or true. It is just an idea.
I will say this however: faith is important to a fulfilling life-- a faith in... something.
It doesn't really matter what it is, because if you stick with faith in something, life becomes very fulfilling. Problems occur when suddenly you doubt your belief in faith...and so thoughts in the direction away from faith need to be reined in. Maybe choose more wisely in what you believe in.
I suppose if we expect someone to hand us a faith on a plate it might be easier...but it doesn't work that way. It is up to the individual to cultivate faith. The analogy of growing a plant or having a pet is useful: if you give a plant or a pet love and nourishment, it will grow up beautifully. If you neglect it, it won't.
What's a good thing to have faith in?
Hmm. Love. Loving kindness seems to work. The kind that is like the sunshine, which is distributed evenly to everyone and everything.
I had a real dilemma with this issue of faith and love up at the retreat in Thunder Bay in August...how to activate love. I found a method that was useful. It was the same technique as when I was a kid.
Before bed my parents made us say prayers to bless everyone in the family. So I tried that again, but expanded it out to people and things that percolated up in consciousness...not just folks I knew and loved, but people I had neutral feelings for, right on to those I truly despised. After a few days of this, I noticed a softening. The connection between the heart, love, and faith had an effect on my condition. I noticed how the body and mind felt when I applied loving kindness. This was the focus: loving kindness as a mind/body conditioner to restore faith.
Here is a link to cultivate a loving kindness meditation, which might be useful to try.
It might seem silly or embarrassing at first, but the effects of practicing loving kindness prayer/meditation/reflection do have a great soothing and calming effect, and helps to restore faith.
Think of this: when you get angry and scream and yell at someone, BOY, can others ever feel the strength of your emotion! And it also conditions your own mind to be agitated, harsh, coarse, impatient, unrefined, violent...and so on and so forth. So, if you radiate the opposite of anger and rage, that is... loving kindness ... through gentle, soft, quiet practice, that has got to have the opposite effect. It makes perfect sense.
Check it out. I think loving kindness is something to use to develop faith and let go of the "worldy ways" of hoping for redemption in some other time in the future.
Better than nothing!
